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(I'm looking for some advice I appreciate that my questions are very specific 馃檪 and I appreciate any feedback)

 

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1) I want to know how much does the university you have attended matter to employers, especially when comparing between relatively more known and better universities like the Russell group (because universities like UCL, QMUL, Bham are all good). I wonder if anyone has any advice regarding how employable a student is based on the uni one attends

2) And do engineering employers or employers in general only target only certain higher-ranked universities

3) Are there any ranking tables that employers have based on universities? If so, what are they

Some background info: I have applied for mechanical engineering at uni (might not even do it anymore but that's besides the point). I am unsure of which university to go to - I have offers from all relatively decent universities; QMUL (Queen Mary), Birmingham, Loughborough and Warwick. I would prefer going to a London university but only if doing so is worth it - in terms of employability.

QMUL is appealing because it is in London but because it is considerably lower ranked than the other universities I have chosen I am unsure if it is worth it hence why I am looking for some advice.

 

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I think its a concensus among people that have been working in industry that the university you graduate from only affects your first job. After your first job, its about what you did in your first job - so when you start applying for your second or third, by that point they dont really care about your university, they care about what you did in your first job. 

Of course that doesn't mean the first job isn't important, it may be hard to get into a prestigious first job without an MEng from imperial college.

However, this is actually changing as we speak. For example EY, one of the biggest accountancy firms in the world, do not care which university you went to. Technically a graduate from Kingston and a graduate from Oxford have the same chance of getting into a role at EY as each other. This is because they focus heavy on aptitude tests, which EY themselves give you - and a range of activities including online tests, group-tests, group presentations, individual interviews, etc. So in the accountancy sector, its actually all about your own skills, rather than the university you went to.

The job market is evolving. Tech firms aren’t so concerned with hiring graduates from prestigious universities, and the rise of non-graduate employees at Google was on the rise let alone having a good degree from a good university ? 

I don't suspect, however, that this will happen to the engineering sector just yet. I believe its similar to Medicine and Dentistry in the sense that you have to know your ground work before you start learning on the job. You can't learn maths from work experience like you can learn filling in a Tax application on the job. You can't learn the laws of thermodynamics like you can learn preparing and examining financial records on the trot.

But, there are tons of engineering apprenticeships - even from employers like Rolls Royce so ? https://www.notgoingtouni.co.uk/all/filter/keywords/rolls%20royce
There might be a degree apprenticeship that a university (which isn't that prestigious) is offering however having a degree apprenticeship is 10x more helpful in the industry than getting a degree from Imperial College with no experience in the field.

In terms of ranking tables, employers look at the same ranking tables everyone looks at - QS ranking tables and etc. They most likely take the average position of the university from a variety of ranking sources. Or, they just go with the concensus of what the best university is, even if its outdated. I.E the stigma is that Kings College London is better than Queen Mary in general - even if the ranking tables say that Queen Mary is better for engineering, so an employer may prefer the student from Kings College London. So it depends on how traditional the company is as well.

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Thank youuuu so much for taking the time to answer that. I just wanna expand on your point about Dentistry because it is something that I have been looking into recently (yes - i have more questions ? ? sorry)

What about Dentistry? Does ur answer still apply in regards to the university? or does that depend on if you want to work for the NHS or not? If you do want to work for the NHS does it matter which uni you attend?

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With dentistry its a bit different.

All 5th year dentists from every university in the UK do an exam at the end of their course and then get ranked nationally against each other. This allows you to pick where you do your foundation year.

And the higher you are in the ranks, the more likely you’ll get your first pick e.g. London.

So it doesn't really matter which university you go to

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Since I have technically finished my alevels I have more time to consider what I want to do at uni and I have been and am still currently looking into healthcare (well everything apart from medicine) vs engineering because I have an interest in both fields but the career prospects and lifestyle for a healthcare career like dentistry is quite appealing although I have places for engineering I do want to choose a course that I believe would be best suited for me.

Are you a dentistry student? If so I do have a few questions regarding like The course and stuff if it’s okay that would reaaallyy help me ?

 

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Yes I study Dentistry at Kings. Ask away!

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@iggydentist Perfect! - this is actually amazing timing because I was gonna make another thread to ask questions about Dentistry ? ? 

I know I have quite a few questions - feel free to also reply to these questions by email if its easier, my email is 68540@sevenkings.school, whichever works best for you 馃檪 

1) How did you come to pick dentistry? What factors did you consider when choosing a career and any you think are important for others to consider too?

2) Is there any advice you would give to someone looking to study Dentistry to become a Dentist? 

3) If you don't mind would it be okay if you could send your personal statement to 68540@sevenkings.school so I can use it for inspiration as I have never written a dentistry personal statement before.

4) What are the things you like most about Dentistry in general? (I know it may be different for everyone but I am interested in hearing your opinion)

5) What are the things you hate most about Dentistry? (if any, but there must be something surely...lool...) ? 

6) What are important advice would you give a year 13 student going into university in general?

7) What are some important things you wish you had known or want others to know when applying to universities?

8) I have never done any interview prep, nor MMI prep and I recently learned that these are the kind of interviews for Dentistry, is there any resources or advice you can give on doing well in the interview?

9) I have been doing research into dentistry but can't find a lot regarding the actual detailed modules and content. I have been using uni websites to see the modules covered but they r a bit vague (for eg: at qmul the website says that one of the modules is the bodies main organs - not explaining which ones in detail - which leaves me without a great picture of the content covered in each year.

My question is: i was wondering if you have any resources or recommendations for any dentistry books which cover the syllabus or if you have any like syllabus containing detailed modules where I can then research each module using a student library login for Uni of Birmingham which hopefully should come in handy ? 

Thank youuuu so much for taking the time I know these questions are long and you probably do have better things to be doing and so I reaaallyyy appreciate it ? ? 

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I forgot to add 1 question: which unis did you apply to and receive offers - why did you pick Kings?

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1) I wanted a career in healthcare, it was either medicine or dentistry for me. The reason why I chose dentistry is due to greater continuity of care with patients, allowing for better relationships to be made.

2) Make sure you have top grades and a lot of work experience. You should also be reading about current affairs in the NHS regarding dentistry. Practise speaking formally and with people from all walks of life as you need to be able to communicate effectively as a dentist.

3) Sorry, due to plagiarism concerns it is not advisable to share personal statements.

4) I enjoy the art aspect of dentistry. For example, completing a tooth restoration (filling) to the greatest aesthetic standards. I also enjoy being in clinic as a student, as opposed to lecture halls.

5) I dislike the workload and pressure sometimes, as it can get overwhelming. However, become a dentist does not come easy!

6) The jump from A level to university is very big. You will be overwhelmed in the first few terms but you must ensure you stay on top of the workload.

7) Visit the university before applying, you could really dislike the atmosphere of your dream university and find that you would love to study at the university you always overlooked.

8) Yes, read this article, although it is aimed at medicine students the same applies for dental candidates.聽

https://examqa.com/how-to-do-well-in-a-medicine-interview/

9) To be honest, theres no need to do any pre-reading for university as an A level student. Every university covers different content. In the first year at kings you cover thorax anatomy, physiology, tooth morphology etc. There are no specific books for these - all the content is covered in lectures from the university.

10) I applied to Kings, QMUL, Bristol, Manchester. I received offers from all the universities, I chose Kings because it's the best dental school in the world.

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@iggydentist Much appreciated 馃檪

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Please try to stick to one question at a time, thank you.

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